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Government trying to force people to eat healthily (again)Alex
2008-12-13 17:48:00 UTC

I saw a news article recently that the London borough council of Waltham Forest is planning to restrict where fast food outlets (including smallholder kebab and fried chicken shops) can open.

They want to restrict it so that there can be none within 400m of parks, or schools, presumably so that schoolchildren don’t really have the option to buy fast food at any point. They also want to restrict opening hours.

It’s being quoted as “one of the first” authorities in Britain to propose such restrictions and the Government’s children’s secretary supports it, all of which suggests that it’s the first of many. The media generally seem to agree that this is a good thing, but is it?

Well, the local businesses aren’t happy, they say it will hurt night time business (which is probably mainly non-children). They also say that this is really a consumer choice.

I think they’re right. The reason so many fast food shops are open there is that so many people buy fast food. If you don’t want to eat unhealthily, don’t buy crap food. If you don’t want your children to eat unhealthily, teach them to eat healthily. You can’t just say, “we’re acting badly, please Mr Council, come and take away our temptations”, that’s just shit.

The council state that “… at the moment residents simply don’t have enough choice because of the amount of fast food takeaways.”. Maybe there’s too many, but arguing that not allowing any fast food restaurants to open within 400m of a school is “improving children’s choices” is patent doublespeak. This is an attempt to eliminate a food choice, rather than increasing the options.

We’ve got to educate children, and healthy food in school canteens is an excellent idea (vague kudos to Jamie Oliver).

Working with takeaways and restaurants to try to get them to provide healthy food is also a pretty neat idea. Perhaps tax breaks should be given on healthier food shops to help them open and stay open?

But restricting what sort of food is available isn’t okay. It’s a person’s choice what they eat, not the Government’s, and if they suffer from it, that’s their problem.

Phil Hunt | 2008-12-14 02:46:43 UTC

If they want kids to eat healthy school dinners instead, maybe they should make them taste nice? But that takes effort, so it’s difficult. And many politicians get a kick out of compelling people to do things, so it’s not surprising that they’ve gone for this option instead.

Paul Kaye | 2008-12-14 04:56:50 UTC

I agree that it seems draconian but there are obvious similarities to sales of alcohol and tobacco. I’m not saying that a packet of chips is as bad for you as a packet of B&H but the point is that we’ve made a judgement that children are not able to make fully informed decisions and put in place legislation to protect them until a certain age. I’m not sure I agree with the legislation but I don’t think we should be so quick to judge the council. I certainly could have done with less exposure to junk food when I was on the way home from school!

Ben Sanders | 2008-12-14 13:09:49 UTC

Any idea if this move will close existing venues, or just prevent new ones from opening?

Aparently my google foo + patience was not up to answering this.

Robert J Lee | 2008-12-14 17:11:43 UTC

A simple solution to the problem of hurting night-time business would be to allow these places to open where they like, but only open at night if they are near where children might be. That should keep everyone happy.

The fact that this (rather obvious) option seems to be being ignored suggests, to me anyway, that there is an ulterior agenda here.

I’m off for a cheeseburger supper!

Andrew | 2008-12-15 12:22:48 UTC

I personally think a nice chicken kebab is one of the most delicious and healthiest fast food options there is (please do not disabuse me of this idea!).

A few chunks of marinaded chicken, grilled, with a heap of shredded salad, about a gallon of ultra-spicy chilli sauce (mainly tomato, chilli, onion, garlic and herbs) and a handful of pickled jalapenos – and seasoned with a squirt of lemon juice.

Hell, I don’t always eat the pitta bread.

Low fat, high protein, high fibre, low cholesterol..and delicious to boot.

Perfect. Support your local kebab van. You know it makes sense.

Hugh | 2008-12-15 13:23:49 UTC

Andrew – to be honest, I can’t see a problem with that. There’s no obvious source of fat there.

I love kebabs too. I’ll sometimes go out and buy a doner kebab even whilst sober, in defiance of decades of male British tradition.

Matt Dillon | 2008-12-15 18:58:53 UTC

Alex, I can totally see your point of view, but I also find it far from a black and white issue.

Point #1: We do not want, nor need, a nanny state. Whilst the oft-flogged Demolition Man example is fairly unlikely to transpire, being told what we can and cannot do to ourselves in circumstances that affect nobody else is nothing short of ludicrous. If I want to smoke (and no, I don’t, but IF!), then I’ll smoke. If I want a pint of beer, I’ll have a pint of beer. And if I want a burger, I’ll eat a fucking burger. If I die of a heart attack I’ll only have myself to blame.

Point #2: As a staunch non-smoker, I was all for the public smoking ban — UNTIL it happened. Now, with all of the shivering, rain-soaked addicts crammed under shop awnings, in pub doorways and loitering in designated office smoking areas, I breathe more cigarette smoke than I ever did in my local pub just walking down my local high street. Which I have to do at least twice a day, going two and from the office. My point? I have to go to work. I don’t have to pop into the pub. Yeah, yeah, I know this is supposedly to protect employees of pubs, restaurants and the like (i.e. to protect the business owners from getting sued), but how will the Government react if pedestrians start suing local councils?

So what’s my point? Sometimes “beneficial” decisions aren’t as well planned as they’d liek you to think. There’ll be a sting in the tail somewhere, you mark my words.

On the other hand…

Point #3: Kids are stupid. I was, you were… we all were. Part of the reason that I’m a chunky chappy now is due to all of the fast food restaurants and sweetie shops within walking distance of my secondary school. Not primary, when I was given balanced and (as far as I remember) tasty school dinners, and had no money to spend. Not at middle school, where my mother made me a packed lunch every day and chose exactly what went in it. No, at secondary school, where the greasy, unsubsidised school canteen served more fatty fried crap than the average MacDonalds, prompting most parents to give their kids money to pick up food elsewhere. And did we make a beeline for the nearest salad bar? Did we ‘eck — straight down the chippy, or to the kebab shop, or the sweet shop. If a similar junk food ban had been in operation then — or if the school had had more of an eye on its catering facilities, which would have been the far more sensible option — I couldn’t have eaten crap.

Point #4: Are rent-lucrative supermarkets going to included in this ban? I’m betting not, which is interesting, as the Tesco Superstore built on the grounds of my old secondary school (they sold them a playing field) sells sweets, crisps, cakes, pies, fizzy drinks and hot food like fried chicken and sausages to go. How is that any different in the long run to a fish & chip shop?

Ultimately, I don’t know what I’d prefer as a resolution on this. Either decision leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.

Alex | 2008-12-15 23:09:57 UTC

Robert – Yeah, I agree, restricting food opening around school times would look more like they’re trying to make the best of both worlds. Tbh I’m not totally sure this isn’t what they mean by restricting opening hours. But once you’ve said no more takeaways to open within 400m of a school, you’ve gone to far anyway.

Matt and Paul- I agree that the problem with kids just eating crap when they can is a knotty problem, but I think that hitting local business as if they’re the villains is not a good solution. It’s not the retailers fault, for a small vendor, healthy business idea may equal no business.

I suppose you could allow the parents to force ’em to eat at school (by buying vouchers or something), that way the parents get some choice of what their kids eat, and the kids can choose whether they want to spend their hard-negotiated pocket money on eating crap or other stuff.

Andrew – I can’t really imagine a chicken kebab’s that bad (unless they smear grease on it), even with fat attached, chicken is a very low fat meat. However, it’s a matter of perception, I can’t imagine the council have time to check how healthy each individual place is, so they’ll go on their preconcieved judgements and probably some shaky legal definitions (if I know councils).

Ben – I haven’t heard anything said about closing existing ones.

Matt Dillon | 2008-12-16 23:58:32 UTC

“I suppose you could allow the parents to force ’em to eat at school (by buying vouchers or something), that way the parents get some choice of what their kids eat, and the kids can choose whether they want to spend their hard-negotiated pocket money on eating crap or other stuff.”

It’s a great starting point, but in order to make it work the government will need to ensure that every single damned school in the country has the budget to make decent, healthy meals available for its pupils — and by this I mean actually sort it out, rather than giving Jamie Oliver another photo op and then forgetting all about it. After that, by all means force them to eat at school, because at least then they’ll be getting a decent. balanced meal. You could even combine it with lesson time, teaching kids how to prepare, cook and eat food from around the world in the correct manner, using the correct cutlery and implements (okay, okay, this last part is a pipe dream, but seriously — every time I see a patron of any age reach for a fork in Wagamama I die a little inside).

In the meantime, restrict the sale of sweets in the same manner as cigarettes, I say!

SpudTater | 2008-12-20 12:42:02 UTC

I’d add my voice to the “restrict opening hours, not locations” sentiment. I can’t imagine they sell many kebabs before about six, anyway. (Except, perhaps, to schoolchildren.)

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