| From The Archives: Taste-testing Tomatoes | Hugh 2008-11-21 12:40:00 UTC |
Still on holiday, so whilst some recent reading tempted me to write an alternate blog post (entitled ‘Joel Robuchon is an ignorant twat’ – read the last[EDIT: that should be last-but-one] question), here’s a probably safer option from the archives. —- So this time, we’re testing canned tomatoes – do they really make a difference? Are you as well using ASDA Smart Price tomatoes for everything? In the cheap-artificial-red corner, we have ASDA SmartPrice Plum Tomatoes, at 19p a can. And in the natural-cherry-red corner, we have Vitale Pomodorini Di Collina, at £1.38 a can from Valvona and Crolla. I’ll be cooking a simple red tomato sauce with pasta – gently fried onion and garlic with the tomatoes, with a bit of oregano, and finished off with some chopped fresh basil. A very simple dish that leans heavily on the quality of the ingredients. Phew. First chance to update away from the cooking – it’s pretty hectic. Preparing two sauces at the same time means that they both cook much faster (smaller quantities) and I’ve already slightly burnt the onions in the cherry tomato pan. Talking of the tomatoes – the differences between the two are obvious from the moment you open the can. The cherry tomatoes have a much richer, thicker sauce, and they themselves are still very well-formed, as opposed to the very thin juice of the ASDA tomatoes. Think Value orange juice compared to Del Monte and you’ll get the idea. The flavour of the expensive ones raw is very rich, very fruity indeed. But we’ll see how they do once we’ve cooked them. Finished cooking. The ASDA tomatoes have pretty much dissolved into a sauce, whilst the cherries still hold their texture. Interestingly, the cherry tomato sauce also coats the pasta much better than the ASDA tomatoes. First tastes, and there’s no comparison. The ASDA tomatoes are quite nice (I’m good at this dish), reasonably salty and interesting, very much a base for the other flavours of the dish. They taste simple and comforting, something to wolf down quick when starving. The cherry tomatoes hit your mouth, and you go “Jesus, I’d forgotten what a tomato tasted like!”. They’re fruity – something you don’t get out of tinned tomatoes normally. They’re incredibly rich in flavour, they’re clearly the highlight of the dish – using these as a base for another dish would be sacrelige. They made me immediately reach for freshly ground pepper to set the dish off – sure sign of a strong flavour. On the more thinly coated pieces of pasta you might expect the difference to be less, but it’s actually more. The ASDA sauce barely coats it at all, whilst even on the thinnest-coated cherry pasta, you can taste the smokiness of the overdone onions, the oregano, and even the basil – amazingly the cherry doesn’t overwhelm it. Overall? Wow. Serious wow. OK, I’d expected the ASDA tomatoes to get a bit of a kicking, but I wasn’t expecting the cherry tomatoes to be that nice. That’s incredible. You might be able to make a better meal using vine-ripened fresh cherry tomatoes, but I’m not sure of it – you’d not have the rich juice. The ASDA tomatoes make a good base for other flavours, although they do need thickening a bit. They’re not bad, but they will never make a meal on their own. If you added a few of the Valvona cherry tomatoes to the sauce, it would probably perk up to be pretty damn good. The cherry tomatoes are astounding. With better-quality pasta and perhaps a couple of free-range poached eggs or a little bit of parma ham (and a cook paying attention to his pan temperature), they don’t just make a nice meal, they make a meal that’s easily restaurant-quality. I have literally never had canned food as good. The meal even felt more filling. No contest at all – not because the ASDA tomatoes are bad, because they’re not, but because the Valvona tomatoes are astonishing. The only downside is that if you’re planning to cook them with anything, it had better be at a similar quality level or they’ll just outshine it. | |
| Dougal Stanton | 2008-11-21 16:21:45 UTC I take it you disagree that mashed potato is the King of Foods then? ;-) Or if you meant the second-last question, he clearly didn’t understand what the interviewer was asking. Can hardly crucify someone for that. The interviewer should have clarified the question because the answer seems to relate to either additives for mass-produced foods or GM foods. | |
| Stuart Carter | 2008-11-21 16:22:35 UTC I don’t understand your reaction to him raving about his mashed potatoes…? | |
| pajh | 2008-11-21 16:37:49 UTC “Ignorant twat”, just because he doesn’t agree with you? Smooth. | |
| Hugh "Nomad" Hancock | 2008-11-21 17:58:34 UTC PAJH – No, because he’s talking absolute rampaging bollocks. “molecular gastronomy that uses additives or synthesized products, that to me is unnatural” – Oh, noes, there might be KEMIKALS in it! “We have no idea what the long-term effects might be” – yeah, because Xanthan, Agar, and so forth have just been created in the last five years, right? “There could be grave effects” – I don’t understand it, therefore it could be LETHAL! (Yes, botulism is a danger in sous-vide. It’s a danger in a bunch of elements of conventional French cooking too.) He managed to get every idiot cliche in the book about MolGast into one paragraph. I dislike people rubbishing and fearmongering about something they clearly don’t have a clue about. And like I say, I decided not to write it in the end… I shall reserve my vitriol for the upcoming “Five frugal cooking tips I never want to see again” Stuart – erm, last-but-one. Dougal – they refer specifically to molecular gastronomy and Grant Achatz, and it’s hard to imagine that a three-star chef has never heard of either. Indeed, he refers to Achatz in the first sentence of his reply. | |
| pajh | 2008-11-21 20:05:56 UTC He’s just talking about the value of fresh, high-quality ingredients, which is what you were doing yourself, and trying not to get distracted by deconstructionalism. I tend to agree with him. And while I agree with you about xanthan, lecithin “and so forth”, they’re not the only ingredients on the planet, and some of the other ones might have effects you don’t know about. Only yesterday we were discussing Chinese Restaurant Syndrome don’t know whether MSG causes it or not. So it’s entirely reasonable to suggest that some ingredients might have unknown effects, and it’s up to him if he wants to use them himself or not. | |
| Hakuo0000 | 2008-11-22 00:21:57 UTC Too much serious higher-level type of talking going around in here. I don’t like tomatoes. D: | |
| Sabrosa | 2008-11-22 01:05:53 UTC It’s nice to see people getting all hot and bothered about cooking. Hugh, this blog convinces me that every taste sensation I have ever had was a pathetic bland thing, so that if I ever become privileged enough to try a morsal of what Valvona can offer, my head might fall off with the intensity of flavour. However I’m a student and compound that with the credit crunch makes Valvona a no go area. So, what’s the solution for great tasting food on a shoe string budget? P.S: Valvona aren’t sponsoring you are they? | |
| | 2008-11-22 01:11:34 UTC Actually the way I go about making food taste good is a bit medieval: I load so many spices and herbs into my freshly slaughtered turnip so that it covers up the fact that these were a Lidl special. But some people prefer their turnips as good intended. How to use subtlety and not make it taste totally bland, especially if you don’t have dead animals floating around the pot? | |
| Hugh | 2008-11-22 12:05:17 UTC PAJH – I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on our interpretation of what he meant. Going straight from the text of what he said, I read it as “Well, I don’t want to diss Alinea, but if you go there or anywhere like there, it might kill you or make you grow another head. And even if it doesn’t, that freaky shit he does with food is against God and Nature.” (On a related note – has the word “unnatural” ever been used in a context where the speaker wasn’t just talking out of a) fear and b) his/her arse? It’s been used to justify slavery, oppose rights for gay people, oppose interracial marriage, oppose the Internet, and oppose just about every scientific advance from GM foods to, one suspects, the wheel.) Sabrosa – I’m going to be talking a bit about food in the credit crunch next week – stay tuned! Person-With-No-Name – That was one of the tips I was going to use in the frugality article, actually. One of the reasons for the growth in the Californian school of cooking (the fresh-ingredients-and-do-very-little-to-them school) was the rise in availability of really good, fresh ingredients. Before that, spice and heavy sauces were used to disguise potentially-dodgy ingredients. Hence, if you’re on a serious cash crunch, use more spice and cheaper meat if you need to. Turnip – I suspect a lot of it depends upon the source and quality of the turnip. I’ve had some lovely roasted baby turnips in the past. Anyone? | |
| SpudTater | 2008-11-22 22:37:29 UTC Chill out, Hugh… I’d say he just came across as pretty ignorant as to what molecular gastronomy is all about. This was an interview situation, and you have to expect people to get the wrong end of the stick occasionally. With regards to tomatoes (and this range of comparisons in general), I’d be fairly interested to see how mid-range products hold up. | |
| Paul Kaye | 2008-11-24 12:26:19 UTC Your comments on V&C’s pasta and now on their tomatoes made me want to try them for myself. That’s when I found out that Google doesn’t know EVERYTHING. For example, Googling “Valvona and Corolla” won’t get you there. You have to spell it right: It’s Crolla, Hugh! | |
| Hugh | 2008-11-24 13:36:40 UTC Many eyes make spelling mistakes shallow. Thanks – fixing. | |
| Adam Stein | 2008-11-26 22:29:18 UTC This is a topic I feel pretty confident about, as I became intimately familiar with salsa pomodoro in grad school; lots of time to experiment and compare. I should tell you, though, that my approach is from the dodgy-ingredients school, and as such is a highly, er, manipulated product. A tomato sauce (which is a kind of fruit sauce) can be thought of as tomato pulp, sugar, a faint trace of flavor molecules, and miscellaneous other stuff (MOS) dispersed in water. Now, you can address the issue of sauce properties. Thickness can be added using roux or corn starch, but using (whole or diced) tomatoes packed in tomato puree rather than juice gives you more pulp per unit volume, more tomato flavor, and more cling (tomato paste added to the cooking sauce tightens it up as well, but I’m biased as I could eat tomato paste straight from the can). This works with a wide variety of canned tomato products (even stewed tomatoes). If the sauce is too tight, it can be released with tomato juice. This gives you good control of the fiber/flavor ratio. Fructose doesn’t read as /sweet/ as sucrose or glucose, but this can be pointed up using the Sweet’n’Sour Pork principle: grit your teeth, add tomato paste, then wash the can out with wine vinegar and add that as well. Tomatoes aren’t acid enough, surprisingly, to be interpreted as fruit, which is probably why they appear in salads. The effect will, I promise, not read as sour; its the acid in fruit that makes them taste sweeter and more fruity. Table added to tomato sauce (fairly common in the US) just tastes sickly. Alton Brown has suggested pureed carrot to moderate acid levels. Fresh herbage is frequently cheaper than imported tomatoes; I generally set on a bunch of fresh basil and skip the oregano (or use marjoram). This leverages any windowbox basil you may be cultivating. | |
| pajh | 2008-11-26 23:09:12 UTC @Adam Stein: thanks for that, that’s all great information. Alton’s not wrong about the use of carrot. We covered tips for making an awesome ragu when we’d tested Jamie Oliver’s somewhat lacklustre version. I find that carrot adds a richness that’s often lacking in sauces. | |
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