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On ovensPaul
2008-11-10 23:27:00 UTC

It’s our creed here at Kamikaze Cookery that cooking isn’t hard to do. We think it’s even easier if you know what you’re doing, which is why what we’re trying to do here is bring the Science. If you can’t be bothered with the Science, though, there are always ready meals.

Except that you still need to know what you’re doing with ready meals.

Last night I had Roast Chicken Bites™ and chips™0. They come in packets that you keep in the freezer. Somebody has done all the hard work for me, and all I need to do is make them hot for a bit. After that, they’re cooked. That’s the theory. Only it doesn’t quite work like that.

The Roast Chicken Bites™ helpfully told me on the back of the packet that they required to be heated at 200° for 15 minutes. The chips™ likewise advised me that they requested 230° for 22 minutes. Theoretically, I could put the chips™ in first and go back later to put in the Bites™ for less time, but I still have a problem. My oven, quite reasonably, I think, only has one temperature dial.

Had I wanted vegetables with my meal, I would have had to cook them for 20 minutes at 180°. If I’d decided to roast my own, I would have needed 240°.

How many ovens do these people think we have?

You can’t just fudge it, either. Trying to work out a reasonable interim temperature between the two, and revised cooking times for different products at that temperature, is going to require a degree in calculus. And you’re still going to end up with soggy chips.

The only reliable guideline I’ve ever come across for frozen food is this: no matter what it says about the time on the packet, if the food product is or may ever have come into contact with a potato, add fifty per cent. If you’re hungry in my flat, and you want to eat something quickly, you might be better off cooking real food from scratch.

If I’m missing some obvious trick that people Just Know, I’d be delighted to hear of it.

Ovens are weird. We talk about them in this week’s episode, coming on Wednesday to an internet near you, pajh-fans. The episode also features the lovely Jehane, Kamikaze Cookery’s Consultant Archaeologist. We used her oven, which is slightly less stupid than mine, but it still has only one temperature dial.

0 That’s ‘fries’ if you’re American. Except that they were baked, not fried, so they can’t be called fries. Do you have oven chips in America? And do you call them “oven fries”? Crazy.


Comments

neil | 2008-11-11 01:02:08 UTC

You better believe we have oven fries in the US! The supermarket usually devotes 2 full freezer cases to various sub-types of frozen potatoes (fries, tots, hash browns…) but the fry is #1. Personally, when I think of oven fries, I think of potato spears, skin on, that are baked to a crispy brown state.

Oh, and people on the East Coast (or at least boston) are lucky enough to have access to potato smiles:
http://www.mccainkids.com/Product.aspx?id=347

pajh | 2008-11-11 02:39:24 UTC

We’ve got “oven smiles” here in the UK too. Frankly, they’ve never appealed to me. If I wanted my food to grin back at me, I’d eat more fish.

So you have a thing called “oven fries” and you cook them in the oven, without ever performing anythng remotely close to frying? Odd, but then so is the way you spell ‘centre’.

Ben Sanders | 2008-11-11 13:37:45 UTC

Maybe you need some of those thermometers that Hugh is so keen on.

As I understand it, a normal oven (as opposed to a fan assisted one) will have different temperatures at different heights (due to some science nonsense about hot air rising).

Thus, when I read instructions to cook things at different temperatures I interpret them as 220 degrees means the top shelf and 200 degrees means the middle shelf.

I could be somewhat mistaken, and it isn’t helped by the fact that frozen chips do always seem to require 50% more time than recommended on the packaging. It is possible that they expect one to not have any two chips touching on the baking tray, which doesn’t work, because then there would not be enough chips on one tray for one hungry me.

Hugh | 2008-11-11 18:26:53 UTC

We’ll be getting into this tomorrow…

Johnnie | 2008-11-11 18:40:21 UTC

@Ben – excellent point. But when you say “200 is the middle shelf and 220 is the top shelf”, what temperature does the oven actually think it’s at? I mean, what does the dial read?

And what do I do have fan oven? Then the whole scheme goes to shit. It’s all so complicated.

Louise Dennis | 2008-11-11 19:32:59 UTC

Just be thankful you never had to deal with an AGA.

Hugh | 2008-11-11 20:45:32 UTC

Johnnie – fan ovens are better, in many ways. The rapid circulation means that the temperature is a lot more even, and my experiments with my fan oven show that it’s accurate +-15 degrees, which isn’t bad.

Agas are just a bloody nightmare.

Bruce | 2008-11-13 05:33:28 UTC

In the US if you ask for chips you’ll get what people from the UK call crisps.

Hugh | 2008-11-13 12:10:45 UTC

Yeah – I’ve never really understood the name “fries”. Then again, “sidewalk” actually works better than “pavement”, and the way we spell “colour” is stupid.


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